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A world civ paper about either creation or evolution got me thinking.
Im for evolution, but if evolution means that thing evolve, what started the process of evolution? I mean, I do know about the big bang theory, but where in gods name did all that matter come from?

If there is a god, what created him? And what did the universe look like before or if it started? What created the first DNA strand, if it were god, like I said, what created him?
Its really driving me mad, ive tried to drop it but I can't :\


Anyways, what do you think? Please, I know this topic involves God but don't bring religion TOO much into this, and respect the non religious people's oppinion, and people without religion, try to show a little respect for the religious people's oppinion.

here's how i work it out to keep myself from staying up all night:

god is and always has been, just like eternity and infinity. he's a divine power in control of every aspect of everything. he is the cause of the big bang, and used it to create the universe, and then earth.

now, things start colliding and getting ugly with "evolution or not", but this is how i put it to rest in my mind: because there's strong physical evidence supporting evolution, i believe it's true. but because it conflicts with the adam and eve account, i believe we had evolved from single-cell organsims, to primate-like creatures, to the first human, adam by an act of god. as i recall (although i haven't checked in a while) the bible doesn't say how long it took for adam to be created, so by "god created adam" it could be adam had evolved by act of god.

well, that's enough deep thinking for me tonight. this looks like it's going to turn out to be a good debate. and also, like MG said, let's keep this from being disrespectful to other's opinions and have a debate, not an argument. stay open-minded,, or at least act like it.

when did time start?

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multi-genre wrote:A world civ paper about either creation or evolution got me thinking.
Im for evolution, but if evolution means that thing evolve, what started the process of evolution? I mean, I do know about the big bang theory, but where in gods name did all that matter come from?

If there is a god, what created him? And what did the universe look like before or if it started? What created the first DNA strand, if it were god, like I said, what created him?
Its really driving me mad, ive tried to drop it but I can't :\


Anyways, what do you think? Please, I know this topic involves God but don't bring religion TOO much into this, and respect the non religious people's oppinion, and people without religion, try to show a little respect for the religious people's oppinion.

Time for a lesson in the Baconian Evolutionary Theorum:

God got bored one day, so he made a universe. Then he got bored with the lack of activity and started thinking about life.
So he made singled celled orginisms. As he expiremented with new stuff, he started branching them off and letting them live life on their own. Then he got bored with them and made the dinasaurs. Then they got all out of control killing everything else, so he wiped them out. Then he started work on humans.

And there you have it, the history of the universe in one paragraph.

time is made up.

My opinion would be based on this, or some thing very like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang

Well, I believe both Theological AND Scientific accounts on how the earth was made, because the world obviously wasnt created in 7 days, but what if the days represent eras, or large spaces of time? Also for the Evolution, it was a mere coincidence that a comet crashed on earth (this is what i believe) Carrying Water, Therefore giving bacteria / single-celled organisms something to flourish in, and the evolution pretty much the life forms adapting to the habitat they lived in. And after adapting to any possible climate, there were different species.

That is my beliefs on the creation of the world/life.
I believe because these species adapted to all possible climates as they evolved, thats what made us humans adaptable to any climate or situation. Not by physical changes, but by using our minds to think of a solution.
That is pretty much our defence mechanism, our intelligence and understanding of the world around us.

Keep in mind this is coming from a mind of a 13/14 year old

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JunkfoodMan wrote:Well, I believe both Theological AND Scientific accounts on how the earth was made, because the world obviously wasnt created in 7 days, but what if the days represent eras, or large spaces of time? Also for the Evolution, it was a mere coincidence that a comet crashed on earth (this is what i believe) Carrying Water, Therefore giving bacteria / single-celled organisms something to flourish in, and the evolution pretty much the life forms adapting to the habitat they lived in. And after adapting to any possible climate, there were different species.

That is my beliefs on the creation of the world/life.
I believe because these species adapted to all possible climates as they evolved, thats what made us humans adaptable to any climate or situation. Not by physical changes, but by using our minds to think of a solution.
That is pretty much our defence mechanism, our intelligence and understanding of the world around us.

Keep in mind this is coming from a mind of a 13/14 year old

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That's what I believe too, it made me mad in the debate in world civ that the creationist people think there is absolutely no way that we could have been created by means of evolution.
We are made up by materials that are found in space, so it is extremely likely that we are made up of materials found on a meteor.
Plus the world crust took about 400,000 years or something like that to make, but that brings the question of, where did that meteor get all of its matter? Where did the universe get all the matter if matter can not be created or destroyed?

you think that question bothers you? try this one out for size!

Does time start anew with the start of a new galaxy?

think about it this way, each planet rotates around a center object in that universe. the distance from and the time it takes to make a full rotation determines our interpritation of time. so when a new galaxy begins, does time start anew thaere? does it start with 0? there were galaxies before us time didnt start with the creation of this galaxy.

then figure in this equation:

There are 42,000 square degrees over the full sky, and 60x60 = 3600 spots as big as the Hubble Deep Field per square degree, so the total galaxies is about 3600 x 42,000 x 200 = 3.6 x 4.2 x 2 billion or about 40 billion.

In our Local Group there are about thirty galaxies, of which only five would be visible at the distance probed by the Hubble Deep Field. This means we have to multiply 40 billion by about 6 to account for these smaller galaxies. That gives us an estimate of about 240 billion galaxies in our visible universe.

so how long ago did "time" begin?


oh and to answer your question of where "we" came from on planet earth... organisms on asteroids and what not evolved into what we have today. don't believe it? fine i have nothing to back it up except that there were organisms found in pieces of asteroids that were millions of years old on mars.

I am 100% for evolution, not even a .0000001% for creationism.

I believe that the first organisms formed from molecules and gases and what-have-you as a result of the big bang. Then as time went on and the climate changed, it forced the molecules to change and adapt, some organisms and earlier species might have also been more suited for the new climates due to disfigurements from when they were "born" or "formed", but as time went on they were the ones that lived and formed more relatives of themselves with better features.

the big bang is a crock of shit, it's just something made up to let people seleep easy at night thinking we finally discovered how the universe was made. i don't think we'll ever truly understand how the universe was made and by we i mean the human race, we will be long since gone when and maybe billions of years from now someone or something will discove this mystery. there is no proof evidence or clue which makes the big bang plausible. it's just an idea and no one should ever take it any further than that.

r0tten wrote:the big bang is a crock of ****, it's just something made up to let people seleep easy at night thinking we finally discovered how the universe was made. i don't think we'll ever truly understand how the universe was made and by we i mean the human race, we will be long since gone when and maybe billions of years from now someone or something will discove this mystery. there is no proof evidence or clue which makes the big bang plausible. it's just an idea and no one should ever take it any further than that.

No, not really (get ready for a long explanation).

If you look at what scientists have been saying it is that the universe (limited or infinite) has been spreading out, but if they look toward a certain point they can see galaxies gravitating toward a sort of center. Some theories say that a giant black hole will suck everything up at the end of the universe and that is how time runs in to a circle (Big Bang -> Life span of Universe -> black hole).

r0tten wrote:the big bang is a crock of ****, it's just something made up to let people seleep easy at night thinking we finally discovered how the universe was made. i don't think we'll ever truly understand how the universe was made and by we i mean the human race, we will be long since gone when and maybe billions of years from now someone or something will discove this mystery. there is no proof evidence or clue which makes the big bang plausible. it's just an idea and no one should ever take it any further than that.

Microwave background radiation

kthxbi.

Don't forget that the visible stars have been observed to be moving in an outward motion from some point in the universe.

there is no absolute without-a-doubt concrete proof in favor or against the big bang, but there isn't any against it either, and it works for me as a beginning of the universe. but it's still cool to think of the big crush, when the gravitational force of everything slows down universal expansion and pulls it all back in. that's going to be a spectacular explosion!

[cc]z@nd! wrote:there is no absolute without-a-doubt concrete proof in favor or against the big bang, but there isn't any against it either, and it works for me as a beginning of the universe. but it's still cool to think of the big crush, when the gravitational force of everything slows down universal expansion and pulls it all back in. that's going to be a spectacular explosion!

cant wait

Enlighten3d-one wrote:

[cc]z@nd! wrote:there is no absolute without-a-doubt concrete proof in favor or against the big bang, but there isn't any against it either, and it works for me as a beginning of the universe. but it's still cool to think of the big crush, when the gravitational force of everything slows down universal expansion and pulls it all back in. that's going to be a spectacular explosion!

cant wait

Lmfao!

Intelligent Design is worth looking up.

noxiousraccoon wrote:Intelligent Design is worth looking up.

I did look it up, and it would make a tiny bit sence if everyone would stop making it as an excuse to teach about god in schools. Like maybe we are just in a universe that larger people made.
I heard in Japan that they are attempting to make a baby universe, maybe we were made by people like that. But still, there would have to be someone who created them who created them who created them, and so on.