Debate: Do Video Games Promote Violence?

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Debate: Do Video Games Promote Violence?

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Okay, this is going to be a serious topic. I am writing a paper for school about 'Do Video Games Promote Violence'. I personally think 'no' but i was put on the 'yes' team.

Now that I think about it, i figured i would post a debate topic here, because i'm curious about the members opinions. Please respond in full sentences, and try to write a paragraph or two. I would liek this to stay on topic, and please only post debate-wise. No spamming, or flaming by opinions. Only respond to what people say by countering it with your side. Right now i'm at school and only have a few minutes left in class before it runs out, so i cannot post my beliefs on the topic, but i will as soon as i get home.

I know a debate is a debate, and can be classified as an argument, but this would be a very interesting topic for a Halo forum.

Do video games promote violence? Please attempt giving example, and back up evidence on your descision. Yes, No, and an explaination.

I'll check this topic as much as I can, but i have to go now.

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i don't think they promote violence much unless you have a serious dissorder and need medication. anyone inteligent enough knows the consequences of reinacting videogame, or for the same matter, movie violence. unstructured homes may have a problem in quelling the possibility of violent reenactments (sp?) because those in the leadership roles (parents etc) may fail to fully reinforce the idea of action and consequence. even then, the more mature people will not go out when they are upset and "shoot a bunch of n00bies" lol.
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Okay, I made snaf post to help get this started. I have some counter points to make, along with a full out opinion of my own.

On December 1, 1997, Michael Carneal, 14 years old, walked into Heath High School, in Paducah, Kentucky, and opened fire upon a prayar group with a .22 pistol. The results were three girls being killed and five others wounded.

That incident launched many copy-cat crimes, in schools everywhere. One massive one, which i KNOW you have all heard about, was in April 1999. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris went to school with assault rifles, shotguns, and bombs...Littleton, Colorado. This was classified as the bloodiest school shooting in American history...ever. The point i'm getting at is that, Harris, Klebold, and Carneal all played the computer game classic, Doom.

Doom is a first person shooter, which hit big when it was released in 1993. Now, of course, many parents...and every human for that matter, need something to put the blame on. And in these cases, it was Doom. Now, did Doom really cause such violence in the lives of children? No.

These children had yet another thing in common, which was being bullied. And that is what pushed them. People do not look at the warning signs, and people do not care enough to help.

Games do not teach anyone anything, except give a possible influence, which never grows farther than a seed. Hitman, teaches people how to be stealthy, and kill using gruesome tactics. But did you, or I, feel like going out and sticking a meat hook in someones back, then steal his clothes? No.

Okay. Time to venture towards the more youthful children. My cousin, who is eight, plays games like Halo, Doom3, Halflife2, everything you can think of. Children, of that age, do not fully understand right from wrong, in way of that extream. I'm sure some of you have heard about the child who saw, in a cartoon, a cat being put into a microwave and ending up fine. This child imitated that scene, and ended up burning his cat alive. That is a prime example of this violent rub-offs. But still. My eight-year-old cousin, does know right from wrong. Andl earned it from those games, as a matter-a-fact. Sure, in games like Grand Theft Auto, you are being rewarded for killing, stealing, and committing crimes, but that does not make it real.

Personally, i blame it on the parents. Many stores, now, are implementing (or rather, enforcing) laws about beign 18 or older to buy a game. Parents do not read or look at the game, majority of the time. Parents NEED to pay more attention to what they are buying their children. But even still, the Entertainment Software Rating Board (or ESRB) ratings are not os well put, says Dr. Kimberly Thompson and Kevin Haninger, conductors of an ESRB raiting experiment. And here it is:

Harvard School of Pulbic Health conducted a study on ESRB raitings, and their meanings. The Harvard study looked at all the games that were rated 'E' for everybody, in April 2001, and producecd the following results:
--Almost 60 percent contained no content description on or inside the game packaging.
--Of those games with no content description, 64 percent nevertheless contained intentional violence during 30 percent of playtime.
--Sixty percent of all E-rated games rewarded or actually required players to injure characters in order to continue playing.
--The presence of "cute" characters had little or no bearing on the presence of violence.

The point I'm getting to, is that Video games do nothing but simple influence someones ideas/descisions. They plant the seed that never grows. What waters the seed is public behavior. Bullying, tormentation, family problems...all those can result in that violent seed growing into a full plant.

To any adults out there reading this, who may have children, or not, please, read descriptions. Look into the game, and make sure it is right for your child.

If none of this proved helpful to anyone. I'm sorry for wasting your time.
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Post by Sonictag »

I watched a program on tv about this, and they showed a story:

2 teenagers, ages 16 and 15 were at home playin gta vice city, and they thought it would be fun to do it all in real life, so they got their dads rifle and went out into the moterway and started shooting at cars, they killed 1 person, shot one woman through the wrist, and on another shot some guy through the arm.

There is also the factor of movies promoting violence, i remember some guy on tv ran a car into someone and said the matrix possessed him..

I cant really say, for me it doesnt and I honestly cant imagine it promoting any violence for anyone, but it has. And there isnt much anyone can do about it.
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Video games, in my opinion, do not encourage others to go out an kill other people. The bloodiest regimes in history happened long before video games ever hit the shelfs. (WW2 for example).

Violence does not need video games to happen. It all depends on the person and who they are inside. If they are violent, bullying individuals, then they will act violently. Or if they are bullied, same result. (But, it all depends on the person).

Some claiming that the matrix possessed him is either mentally disturbed or just faking it.

I could say that the Barbies possessed me, but is that game violent? (not to my knowledge).
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Well this is why there are ratings on video games....The only problem is, many parents do not enforce this very seriously and buy their children whatever games they ask em to. However, I've been playing some very gruesome video games since I was like 5 but do I go out and shoot everyone ? No, because I had a commen sense and I can tell right from wrong...Well anyways, it is sad that many children have to learn from their mistakes which can be a very big one (putting a cat in the microwave), because they can't tell what is right and what is wrong, and are influenced from a mere cartoon, which is rated G or Y-7 or whatever. Well maybe children shouldn't be exposed to any violent material rated E or TV-G or whatever because they haven't developed a commen sense and could easily be influenced (even though the rating industry allows them to). I would have to blame children reinacting violence from video games on the parents because of their laziness to just look at ratings or tell if their children are mature enough to be exposed to violent material. Children just don't develop a commen sense fast enough lol. For one thing, however, I can't blame parents for their spouses' counterintuitive reinactions or violent similarities of cartoon scenes because how would you know that your child is gonna put their cat in a microwave simply because of something they saw on TV? Oh btw, I know a teenager who is not allowed to watch cartoons because of their parents' weariness of reinacted violence :lol: The parent believes that their child would throw a brick at someone and think they would be ok cuz of something they saw in a cartoon. After a certain age you would probably learn not to do this and the parents should enforce but not very strictly enforce ratings.

Yeah I kinda went a lil off topic about the whole cartoon thing..
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Post by Pie »

No no no, i'm glad you did. This is broadening into an entertainment thing. Movies, TV shows, Video Games, you name it. All have an effect on someone in someway somehow.

Now, please, keep going everyone. I'm liking this topic idea more and more.
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I would really like to hear a child's point of view on this topic as that would really promote it and bring controversion :D If only 8-year-olds know about this site and can type at a decent speed lol.
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Well yes and no i think.
It really depends on the age group, maturity, and intelegence of the specific person. Like this kid for example.
This 8 year old child was playing with his dad. They went down stairs and the child wanted to play cops and robbers. The dad just going along with it said ok. The kid tied his dad up and blindfolded him. The childs mother her screaming coming from downstairs and the last thing she heard was "Come on daddy! Get up and play another game!" However there was no response from the father. The child had stabbed his father 12 times not knowing what was reality and what wasn't. The child always played video games ecspecially violent ones.

Depressing aint it? Well in a way the video game promoted violence. However if it were with an older age group I don't believe it does because older groupers understand concequences of their actions.

Well thats my 2 cents. Not really decided but hope it helps.
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Well games are violent. Almost every game has you hurting someone. But if you want to play suger coated video games, get a gamecube. But games do promote violence. Like in GTA. If you hate someone, you can just kill them. And nothing bad will happen unless you do it infront of a cop.

Some games, were not made for violence. But people find ways. Microsoft Flight Simulator '98. That was a fun game. You learned to fly planes, and there was no violence. The terrorists that highjaked the planes, used that game to train. It was a life like simulation. Although, its not reality.

But you are rewarded for killing people. So for a child, seeing them selfs killing others at a young age. Tells them killing is ok. If a child is exposed to videogames too early. It will be built into thier minds. Something that you cant change. Its best to shield them from the real world, until they can tell the difference between realitly, and games.

But not all violonce is caused by video games. On the cover they dont say
"Play the game, kill your friends, kill you falmily, join in the fun". Games dont say that thankfuly. Although it would be the truth in some cases. Rap promotes killing your mother, killing everyone, killing yourself. But no one thinks to blame Mtv. Games are not the only scorce. Broden your horizens a little. You cant blame games for everything(although people will)

In school shootings, alot of things are causes. People getting mad at thier friends. Mad at everyone in school. If everyone hates you, you want revenge on them. And after playing video games, they find out the perfect way. Life doesnt have a reset button. You cant go back and play again. If you die, you dont respawn. Theres no save point. There is conciquences to your actions. There is no way out after you start. You cant get off the hook.

But kids believe what they see, because they dont know better. Thier nieve. A kid with a gun could shoot his parents and expect them to get back up. Its a sad world we live in. Mario for example, doesnt use guns. He stomps his foes. But thats still violent, just candy coated a little.

I grew up on video games, but im not going to kill someone for making me mad. It may work on video games. But thats not life. So in conclusion, games do promote violecne. And you should learn how to tell the difference between them and reality. But you could sue the game creators. You take full responsibility for your actions

That wasnt alot ^^^^ Ill wait for more to debate about
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Ok, video game violence being reinacted is all based on maturity. If your child is under the age of like 11, I would highly suggest you don't expose them to any rated M games as that usually influences the undeveloped mind of a kid to go frigggggin crazy. I believe parents should just make decisions on what games to buy their children based on their maturity. However, they are too frigggin lazy, they buy their children rated M games, they don't look into it and ask questions about wether or not it's appropriate or not, so they just go out and buy the game..I blame the parents for trusting their children with unappropriate material. Besides, they can't tell right from wrong, they are very gullable, they basically play rated M games just to see blood and gore. Some children aren't even sensitized to blood and gore and play rated M games everyday which causes their subconciousness to think "this is ok" "this is ok" each time they play violent video games. This is where reinaction of violent material comes in-children are unsensitized by violent material causing them to believe that stabbing their dad, or putting their cat in the microwave will have no effect. Even though no parents are gonna be watching this topic I just have to say this-don't expose your children to violent material unless you know how they react to video games (sensitized/unsensitized) or how they develop in a matter of commen sense. Ask questions to yourself like-will they tie me up and stab if they play this? Is my child going to be sensitized to this? How sensitive is my child anyway? What is my child gaining from this game-learning the best way to kill someone or just having fun? Do I really have to pay 50 dollars for a possibility of craziness occuring in my child.....Lol.

Well this concludes my post and I wonder if anyone actually bothered to read this frigggggin thing. Lol I should really write an essay about this for school or something when the time comes...
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Haha, did any of you see that episode of the simpsons where maggy watched itchy and scratchy and then went to kill homer? Hahaha
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Post by Pie »

I am also going to throw something else out there for all of you to think about.

the movie Top Dog (have you ever heard of it?) It was made within the wake of the coldwar and was made to appeal to children. Top Dog, the title, telling kids that it may be a movie about a dog, perhaps. When in reality it was about killing, pain, torture, etc.

I relaly understand your point, Yomama, and i'm glad you came to post.

To sonictag: Yes i saw that, and they made that episode to bag on the common video game discussion that we are all having right now. They made a good point.

I am hoping ot see some more pieces to this comng when i get home, i'm currently on a laptop in the library :wink:

Thanks for replying seriously, everyone.
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I've never heard about a movie called "Top Dog" or anything that has to do with it in reality. Ok, so Top Dog (in reality) is about the coldwar and torturing and was made a movie of to appeal to children...Looks like the filming industry cut the lives of all the people involved in the cold war short and made a friggggin kid movie on it for some money. Wow, what a**holes..I don't like the way the filming industry creates kid movies about sad, real-life events, turning them into a movie that basically relates to the title of the movie.
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sonictag wrote:2 teenagers, ages 16 and 15 were at home playin gta vice city, and they thought it would be fun to do it all in real life...
If you're 16 then you are old enough to tell the difference between real and fake so if you kill someone, its on you, not on the games.
BEEF!!! wrote:This 8 year old child was playing with his dad. They went down stairs and the child wanted to play cops and robbers. The dad just going along with it said ok. The kid tied his dad up and blindfolded him.
Letting an 8 year old play violent games is bad enough, but any parent who allows their kid to tie them up and blindfold them is an idiot and doesnt deserve to have children.
yomama wrote:Its best to shield them from the real world, until they can tell the difference between realitly, and games.
If you shield them from the real world and only let them play games, how can they possibly learn the difference? Children should never be shielded from reality, if anything they should be shielded from games. What's real is real and the child is going to face it sooner or later, preferrably sooner so he doesnt end up like a fish out of water.

As for the general topic, sadly there is no easy answer. On the one hand, videogames dont kill people, people kill people. On the other hand, who is to say when a mind is mature enough to distinguish between reality and games? I say that the best authority to make that decision is the parents. The game makers fulfill their end of the bargain by putting ratings on games. It is up to the parents to look at the ratings on their child's games and say yes or no. The children cannot do it themselves. If the parents dont, who will?

Finally, its about time im seeing a topic like this on these boards. Excellent work, Pie.
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No. Video-games are pure for entertainment. If you can't handle violence or anything, then don'd play violent games. Parents have a decision in the game, and if parents are scared that they're kid is going to do something, then don't let your kid buy it. If you're 16, you indeed need to be able to set reality and games as 2 different worlds.
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Ugh, I totally hate these "Do videogames cause violence" topics. :evil: It's usually stupid, poor, rough kids with their PS2's who are already totally violent that go and do these things. It should not be blamed on the videogames. And if you're on the team where you have to blame them, don't blame the developers, blame the retailers.
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Spartan III wrote:Ugh, I totally hate these "Do videogames cause violence" topics. :evil: It's usually stupid, poor, rough kids with their PS2's who are already totally violent that go and do these things. It should not be blamed on the videogames. And if you're on the team where you have to blame them, don't blame the developers, blame the retailers.
Why do you hate them? This topic is one of the most real-time serious topics here. Normally tings liek this end bad, and people flame and swear and stuff. I think this is a good idea, because we are seeing the people express themselves fully in a very controversial topic.

I have noticed, though:
Majority blame it on the parents and how they do not seem to care what their children get.

And i know it can influence people, but it never makes people do it.

Those who do are living in a sligth warped reality. Perhaps look into medical conditions of people who have committed such crimes. Maybe they are suffering from depression or bipolar disease. I know what bipolar disease can cause, because my sister has it. bad descision making is a major factor in this.

Please, explain yourself more.
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Hmm... I read every post and have some point sot make. I believe in this world being alot more complex and intentional than I think most people realize. I could go on for paragraphs and a long time about my thoughts, but I won't do that. First, as for that child that stabbed his dad when he tied himm up, I think it is a little creepy, but I do think the child did it on prupose. You don't realize it, but children pick up on stuff way before you even know it. I don't have any examples, but it seems reasonable.


Just think, you allow a child to watch television and play videos games, obviously he has picked up on the issuse that are boradcast on the air waves today. You and your friend are talking about oh, say, columbine, your child is 4-5 feet away eating dinner at a table, you are in a different room and think he can't hear you and doesn't payh attention. BZZT. Wrong. I know from experience, it is amzingly interestin to listen to adult conversations, they understand mroe than you think.

I think there should be a required mental screening check before anyone can buy a video game. And no one below the age of 11 should be allowed to play video games. Why? Well, first go watch an old video tape of yourself back when you were below the age of 11. I know, I've done it. I myself, can't remember what was going through my head back then, when I watch old video tapes of myself, I wonder what in the world I was thinking.

I have come to realize that just now, I finally understand what I'm doing, alot of the stuff even last summer I don't know what I was doing.

I, have a mental disorder, maybe you have seen one of my older posts, I have Aspbergers. Aspbergers is a social disoredr, a form somewhat of autism, althought not exaclty. No, I'm not 'retarded' or dumb in any way. It's more the reverse. I don't know how to act around certain people, I don't know how to act when certain things happen. Yet, I am extremely smart, (IQ 128, standard us government IQ test) I can think and figure things out.

Right now, I take two pills, one called Stratterra, and the second something else (forgot the name :roll: :lol: ). I take the strattera for sleeping (could stay up for 30 hours, and be as energized as a mouse) and to help coping with social stuff. Back before I took pills , I used to have an extremem temper, I would get mad at the slightest thing, grab stuff and throw them at the walls, smash my toys, and kick through the walls.

Now, not so much, although the pills keep the anger to a lesser level. I have been in jail 4 times, I am 14 years old. The pills, when I get mad, just take away the energy from me, making it annoying tiring to yell at people, and get mad. Just recently I experienced what it was like to be off the pills, I don't remember what it was like, or how I got off them, but I could feel a sort of, power. I felt energized, I could go for days without sleep, all I know is I felt like the masterchief. I felt like a super soldier, I felt I could take on the world.

I have no doubts that, if taken off the pills, given military armor and weapons, and sent somewhere to kill those terrorist bastards, I could whoop ass. I use my brain in situations, I don't just go in blindly and shootm everything, that's what makes me the best defender on Halo ce. I use my head. I remember last night, I got 19 kills with 2 deaths, in a span of 15 minutes on zanzibar. Right now, sedated with the pills, I'm just a fat teenager, with no energy what so ever. I don't even sleep right anymore, once off the pills I experience real sleep, now it's not sleep, its just my energy being drained, and my focus being lost. I tak the pills, an hours later I feel tired, and can't focus, lost interest in what I'm doing.

I long for that sense of power... Point is, mentally unstable people shouldn't b e given video games at en early age. I know my neighbor, has two kids, one a 6 year old boy named Jacob, and another 9 year old we call JJ. Jacob plays Halo with us, and I don't think he understands what's going on in the game, we will kill him with a pistol, and he will get all mad, and jump at us, (in real life). Generally, one kid in a family actually gets the 'brains' of the genes, that would be me. My brother is an idiot, I try to help him but he just gets mad at me. The rest of the family is the same. I believe that, autistic kids, are the ultimate soldiers, I myself can go days without sleep, andm be so energized. Last week, I told mom I took the pills, but didnt and hid em in my pocket, and bounced up the stairs on my tippy toes at a speed yhou wouldn't believe.

I long for that sense of power so much... even now, with all the fat I've got on me, when I stretch I can still feel the raw power in my muscles. I plan one day to build a spaceship with some technology I invented, and do what ever I want. Fly to pluto, fly to the moon, whatever.

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Okay, no offense, but only one paragraph of that was on topic.

You made your post seem good because it was long, but you were talking about yourself and your "disorder", in a way, bragging.

This topic is about video games, and whether or not they promote violence, not you and your power longing. You may not believe it, but many people in this world know a lot and use their brains. Your acting like you are the smartest person in the world. Your not. IQ means nothing compared to real life. IQ test is just that, a test.

And having the sense that you can take on the world does not mean you can. It means you have what idiot soldiers have. They will "use their brains" and "kill many people" or so they say, and just end up dying before getting a shot off. Feeling like you can take the world, is a cocky mistake no one can afford to make.

Please, i mean i enjoyed your post and all, because i learned about you, but it was almost completely off-subject.

Next time, keep it to what the topic is about. It is not spamming, and is not flaming (as in your post, and any others here). I'm just letting you know that a lot of it was just acting full-of-yourself.

I'm sorry if this ends up starting something, but just in-case it does, i will either have a moderator/admin delete the necessary posts, or just lock the topic. I would prefer the posts to be deleted (if something starts) because, in a way, i think this topic is beneficial. And one of the few that actually can hold an intellegent discussion.


Lastly, I'm going to tlel you about myself. I'm 'suffering' from severe depression. And i can stay up for days without sleep, and still be energized as much as I always am, because i never dwindle. Yea, i may talk in a monotone, or walk slow, and look stoned. But i'm not, that is how I am. I used to take neurotin (spelling) and that does not work (sleep meds). No sleep tings work for me, except my CD player. I can only fall asleep through loud noise.

Everyone has a problem of their own, and everyone has an issue, with the same basic things. I've never taken an IQ test, but it seemed you were only talking about it to show-off. This is my opinion (and maybe some other peoples) so you cannot defend yourself, because it is an opinion, not a statement.

Lastly, saying "EDIT: longest post EVER! BABY! WhoooHOO! Beat dat suckas." is just flat out stupid. This is NOT a contest for longest post, this is a debate. Do not act that way, please.




And, as an addition, everything you said that was on-topic, was well done.
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