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im not going to say any names because then I will just have to fight back using big words and sentences to try and sound smart and make a point, But my concern is simple, Since when did staff higher than the members?

I remember when staff were just members who could be trusted and admins picked staff based off of their actions on the site and not who can delete the most flames and double posts or clear the most spam topics and lock the most shit

Its really sad to see what this site is coming to, and I do not want to put anyone on the spot but I have spoken with someone who is extremely respectable in this community and he agrees with me

Im posting because I want to help make this site a better place, Not by policing people or having an ego trip but by doing things that actual staff was made to do, and thats help people, So many staff members think that they have the right to hurt peoples feelings and give too harsh of critique and it really sucks to see what this site was and what it is now

I know I wont become staff, only because most of the staff does not like me. But I am talking to the admins, I really want to have a shot to make this site better I really hope you guys read this and consider me

I have talked to Locke numerous times about this, All I want to do is make the site better, Not by telling people that their artwork/mods suck and they should die, But by helping people to create better content and help people with day to day problems thats what a staff should do, Thats what they used to do...

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Trulife8342 wrote:I remember when staff were just members who could be trusted and admins picked staff based off of their actions on the site and not who can delete the most flames and double posts or clear the most spam topics and lock the most **** [...] So many staff members think that they have the right to hurt peoples feelings and give too harsh of critique
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Trulife8342 wrote:All I want to do is make the site better, Not by telling people that their artwork/mods suck and they should die,
Please do find me an example where a staff member has said that.

We only get tense with members when they break rules that are placed right in front of them.
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Tural wrote:
Trulife8342 wrote:I remember when staff were just members who could be trusted and admins picked staff based off of their actions on the site and not who can delete the most flames and double posts or clear the most spam topics and lock the most **** [...] So many staff members think that they have the right to hurt peoples feelings and give too harsh of critique
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Trulife8342 wrote:I know I wont become staff, only because most of the staff does not like me.
Or...because we already have way too many staff members who are more than capable of fulfilling the duties needed (and some that aren't).

Going around pussy footing isn't going to help. If you have a problem with a specific staff member, just post their name. Dan did it in a topic right below this one and it was handled fine.

The staff does help people, and since it's pretty obvious you're talking about Veegie...his criticism is just different. We're still a community and while his words may seem harsh, he has no malicious intent. It's just that he has a very dry sense of humor which most people don't pick up on right away.

I've seen ScottyGEE, iGeo and Detox help in tons of modding fields whether it be criticism or tutorials. Tural and Veegie help people in their rendering fields, and their knowledge of the Halo-verse. Many people here wouldn't be as graphically advanced as they are without the help of people like Ravn, Cuda, jks, or Ombre. I could keep describing situations such as these for much longer, but I think you get the idea.

Staff members are picked based on their actions, and most (if not all) of the members here are pretty active and well-known members of the community. At one point or another they've all contributed to this site. The whole "policing" thing is our job, as the old saying goes...it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.
Trulife8342 wrote:But from what I heard from someone YOU answer to, Staff are encouraged to give constructive criticism.
As Tural said, you don't need to be staff to give constructive criticism.
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Trulife8342 wrote:But from what I heard from someone YOU answer to, Staff are encouraged to give constructive criticism, You can't deny the fact that this site is dieing, And all this is coming from the mouth of someone you answer to, You cant stop over looking this, in the last 5 minutes 8 people have told me that this isnt going to make a difference because staff will not care, That is a problem, When the very members of a forum have learned to accept that the staff members over looking them dont care about their opinions that is a very bad problem...
Please address the part I posted about you wanting to be staff for a title. That's all you want. You said staff should just be members who don't do staff actions. You said being staff shouldn't have anything to do with locking, deleting, etc. You do not need to be staff to do what you want to do. If you want to help people, go out and help them. Nobody's stopping you.

I don't know what you're getting at about the constructive criticism and the site "dying." Most of the time, if a comment is harsh, it usually still offers a clear reason for why the comment is being posted. I can't think of a time when a staff member just flat out said "It sucks and you should die." Please enlighten us.
Trulife8342 wrote:either that or someone will say the colors hurt my eyes, The person could have said, Those colors are too contrasting you might want to fix that, But no they had to take the rude way out, Thats not right.
That comment wasn't meant to be rude, I apologize if it came off that way. It was not my intention. I suppose I could have worded it differently, had I been aware it was taken as rude, I would have done so.
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... *sighs* I have no rep anyway.

I am the Anonymous poster. I believe that this community has gone to absolute hell since it seems like Snaf and his little groupie's have ganged up on every person that has set a new foot into modding.

I believe that the moderaters have not done a damn thing to stop this, and I don't care what your excuse is.


I respect Tru for having come out with this. I never had the courage to say something like this. But it took 5 seconds for me to realize I could give a damn about being banned.

I joined this community to help myself and help others. Nobody, it seems other than Tru, wants this to happen at the moment.
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GametagAeonFlux wrote:
Trulife8342 wrote:I know I wont become staff, only because most of the staff does not like me.
The staff does help people, and since it's pretty obvious you're talking about Veegie...his criticism is just different. We're still a community and while his words may seem harsh, he has no malicious intent. It's just that he has a very dry sense of humor which most people don't pick up on right away.

I've seen ScottyGEE, iGeo and Detox help in tons of modding fields whether it be criticism or tutorials. Tural and Veegie help people in their rendering fields, and their knowledge of the Halo-verse. Many people here wouldn't be as graphically advanced as they are without the help of people like Ravn, Cuda, jks, or Ombre. I could keep describing situations such as these for much longer, but I think you get the idea.

Staff members are picked based on their actions, and most (if not all) of the members here are pretty active and well-known members of the community. At one point or another they've all contributed to this site. The whole "policing" thing is our job, as the old saying goes...it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.
Trulife8342 wrote:But from what I heard from someone YOU answer to, Staff are encouraged to give constructive criticism.
As Tural said, you don't need to be staff to do give constructive criticism.
I wasnt talking about Veegie...

All im saying is when someone all staff answers to says that there is a problem and the site is dieing, That usually says something...

Oh and Tural, If I wanted staff just for a title I think I would have bitched about only having 1 emblem, Ask anyone I speak to on aim, I want to be staff to help show members that staff arent just here to lock topics and ban people.
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We don't have an administrator that regularly visits the forum, either. That also says something.

Yet you're blaming us.
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metkillerjoe wrote:I am the Anonymous poster. I believe that this community has gone to absolute hell since it seems like Snaf and his little groupie's have ganged up on every person that has set a new foot into modding.
So report them? We can't be everywhere at once (I've tried it before, it's hard). We miss posts here and there, and the whole point of the report function is so you can make sure that we see those.
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metkillerjoe wrote:I believe that this community has gone to absolute hell since it seems like Snaf and his little groupie's have ganged up on every person that has set a new foot into modding.
Provide some specific examples and we can go from there.
Trulife8342 wrote:Oh and Tural, If I wanted staff just for a title I think I would have bitched about only having 1 emblem, Ask anyone I speak to on aim, I want to be staff to help show members that staff arent just here to lock topics and ban people.
Gametag quite clearly showed that is not all the staff do here.
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Ravn, your acting like I hated staff forever, I remember posting a random topic out of no where one day in the cafe just thanking all of you for doing a great job, And thats when the community actually worked together, I never had a problem with how anything was run up until recently. I am just the only one that wants to say something because everyone else is scared to be banned, And I have about 5 people that have given me that response on aim...

Tural, Did you not read Dan's topic below this one?
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Nobody will ever be banned for speaking out against something they don't agree with. If they don't break rules (Don't come in and post things like "Fuck staff, I hate you all" and so on), they have nothing to fear. If they choose to claim they fear staff as an excuse to not post, then the only people losing out are them.
Trulife8342 wrote:Tural, Did you not read Dan's topic below this one?
What about it? I fail to see any relevance.
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metkillerjoe wrote:I believe that this community has gone to absolute hell since it seems like Snaf and his little groupie's have ganged up on every person that has set a new foot into modding.
Excuse me? What are you talking about? I've never, NEVER seen Snaf 'gang up' on anyone at all. Secondley, Trulife's motivations for becoming staff have already been pointed out several times. He wants to help people, and as said before, you don't need to be staff to help.
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Trulife8342 wrote:Ravn, your acting like I hated staff forever
Umm, no I am not.

You talked with an administrator, our "boss", who said he was dissatisfied with the staff. I fail to see how you can be angry at us when our boss is the one responsible for controlling our actions.

Without staff, this forum would be complete garbage. Maybe we have to be a little harsh to control the public. Would you rather have no forum?
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Because, I come to this community and I don't like it when things just arent done in the correct way.
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G.I.R. wrote:
metkillerjoe wrote:I believe that this community has gone to absolute hell since it seems like Snaf and his little groupie's have ganged up on every person that has set a new foot into modding.
Excuse me? What are you talking about? I've never, NEVER seen Snaf 'gang up' on anyone at all. Secondley, Trulife's motivations for becoming staff have already been pointed out several times. He wants to help people, and as said before, you don't need to be staff to help.
Yeah, ok, and when I joined, I could have sworn that my maps are crappier than those he was criting and yet I was getting, "Pretty good for your first try here is some stuff to improve on." Snaf just flames. I'm sorry that is the truth.
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Yeeeeah. >_>
I was thinking of someone else when I first posted.

But most of the posts I've seen from Snaf usually include some sort of pointers; however, Tural has shown me several posts containing blatant flaming. :?
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Im going to make a very true point, Xbox7887 was a great modder, I dont think there will ever be anyone else with his talent. He left halomods because of the reasons I have stated in this topic, I could name countless modders who have left this community im one of the few that are staying just in hope that I can make a difference but its becoming clear to me that my opinion isnt even worth the title of this topic...
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