Petition: To ban or not to ban, that is the question.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:52 pm

Recently Ketchup and I were talking, and we were talking about Live modders. There is a large amount of them frequenting here every day.

We believe that anyone who mods on live should be banned. If they are still allowed to come here, Halomods is practically handing out invitations to live modding.

Before I started doing like so in my signature, I would get one to two modders, who found my screenname here, asking me how to mod on live. You may think, "Well, just one or two..." but what you dont realize is that this was practically every day, without fail.

The rules do state that there is to be no discussion of live modding here at all. However, I believe this should apply to anywhere, including instant messenger clients. Anyone could be a live modder, and just not talk about it. They would still be getting information on how to mod on live from people. Banning these people would prevent them from finding the names of people who may in fact help them mod on live.

Everyone seems to think that because they only mod on custom games, it is ok to mod on live, because they arent hurting anyone. What they need to understand is that when you use xbox live, you agree to the terms of use, which state there is to be no modding on live period. However, most live modders do realize this, they choose to ignore it. They are too ignorant to realize that it doesnt stop with a ban, being banned from matchmaking does not make it ok to mod on live. Lets jump back to this summer, remember what happened with live modding? It became so out of control with these ignorant people that most of the modding community, the real community, the community that does follow the rules, was stopped completely for several months. Making the people who are innocent suffer, just because some little kid buys a modchip with his birthday money and chooses to use it to take advantage of the people who play for fun.

In conclusion, we think this has become a serious enough problem that something needs to be done to show these people that what they are doing is wrong.

I believe these are the feelings of the modding community as a whole, and not just Ketchup and I. I know there are more people thinking the same thing. So what I will ask you for is a response to this, and if someone out there wants to take the other side, then I challenge you to prove a reason why these people who choose to ignore the rules they agreed to, and choose to ruin the entire modding community, and ruin it's image, should be allowed to stay here.

*Note: This is not a poll because if it was, all of the live modders would vote "No" of course, I want peoples real opinions, I dont want live modders to come here and be anonymous, if they have something to say, they can say it right here, where everyone can see what they think.

UnlockedTitan · Post by **UnlockedTitan** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:57 pm

im on your side tural but there is no way you can stop live cheating, you are bringing up a problem that cannot be solved.

also how are you going to find out if the person cheating on live even is a member of halomods, are you going to ask them yourself?

and for people that im you or pm you same question, you going to ask for their GT?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:59 pm

I didnt say we could stop it, I said we could limit it, by taking away their main source of modding information, if they cant get to the place where they can potentially learn to mod on live, we could seriously cripple the future live modding community.

Also, I ask everyone that messages me for their Halomods name, if they arent registered, I flat out block them and tell them I refuse to help.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:00 pm

Yea i dont even have live but cheating against people isent good cheating by yourself for the heck of it is fine because well that dosent hurt anyone else but anyways yea i doubt anyone is gonna take you up on that and say reasons why the xbox live modders should stay because if they failed they would probely get banned for xbox live modding err i lost myself...
Edit: ugh damit i dident mean to say that

UnlockedTitan · Post by **UnlockedTitan** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:01 pm

not possible, to cripple live modding you need to basically shut down the internet, halomods is not the only place that is a source for modding, again this situation is impossible to solve

Ombre did you just say "Cheating abainst people is fun?"

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:03 pm

UnlockedTitan wrote:not possible, to cripple live modding you need to basically shut down the internet, halomods is not the only place that is a source for modding, again this situation is impossible to solve

Im sure you can agree with me that this is a MAJOR source for modding information, Im willing to say the biggest source of modding information anywhere.

Also, Ombre, I believe you just took the other side, correct? I could not fully understand because you failed to use any logical grammar and punctuation.

UnlockedTitan · Post by **UnlockedTitan** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:04 pm

^ lol i dont even get what Ombre said

i would say that xbox-scene is the major one, then halomods then all of the rest but..... how are you going to stop it, what was your plan tural, im interested now

what was your's and Ketchups idea to actually cripple modders?

my idea is to stop linking to xbox-scene once and for all, do not answer people who ask "how do i mod my xbox"

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:08 pm

UnlockedTitan wrote:^ lol i dont even get what Ombre said

i would say that xbox-scene is the major one, then halomods then all of the rest but..... how are you going to stop it, what was your plan tural, im interested now

what was your's and Ketchups idea to actually cripple modders?

The way it goes is typically like this:

A live modder will either:
A) Read the rules and know they cant ask about modding on live (Unlikely)
B) Post and get responses telling them the rules (Likely)

Then after that, chances are they will get on a messenger, or PM someone asking about live modding, and if they happen to be talking to someone who is willing to help their pathetic asses, then another live modder is born. If we can stop them before they find that person, that is what will prevent them. Nipping it in the bud if you will. I dont think they should just recieve a warning, because if they are still allowed to come back, thats just a second chance to mod on live, or to find that certain person.

Edit: I dont think people should be stopped from modding their xbox like you suggest, because if they are one of the honest people, they shouldnt be punished. There isnt a way to tell prior to them posting/messaging. Im saying that as soon as they do post, or do ask someone, then they should be banned, no second chance, period.

UnlockedTitan · Post by **UnlockedTitan** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:09 pm

quiz maybe to even enter the halomods site site? i dont know what would make up the quiz though

also tural did you see my edit?

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:10 pm

UnlockedTitan wrote:quiz maybe to even enter the halomods site site? i dont know what would make up the quiz though

also tural did you see my edit?

Yeah, I updated my post. Also:

Ombre wrote:Yea i dont even have live but cheating against people is funcheating by yourself for the heck of it is fine because well that dosent hurt anyone else but anyways yea i doubt anyone is gonna take you up on that and say reasons why the xbox live modders should stay because if they failed they would probely get banned for xbox live modding err i lost myself...

1) No.
2) No. Read my ENTIRE post.
3) Of course, why would anyone want to stop live modding, thats just crazy, isnt it?

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:13 pm

I dident even fully understand what i said, but no i dident take their side, i was agreeing with you, and saying that no one is gonna right out say "Xbl modders shoulden't be banned" because if a rule was made against XBL modders, they would be the first to go.

^still dosen't make much sense, i know, but meh its the best you're gonna get.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:13 pm

Please explain the parts I bolded.

UnlockedTitan · Post by **UnlockedTitan** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:14 pm

but halomods should get rid of any information about Xbox-scene, everytime someone asks how to mod that site is given out, Thus a xbox live cheater is born. anyone that posts this site should be banned, also im going to take up on your idea Tural, anyone who asks or post how to mod and xbox should be banned no queations asked.

Ombre wrote:I dident even fully understand what i said, but no i dident take their side, i was agreeing with you, and saying that no one is gonna right out say "Xbl modders shoulden't be banned" because if a rule was made against XBL modders, they would be the first to go.

^still dosen't make much sense, i know, but meh its the best you're gonna get.

wow!

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:16 pm

Tural wrote:Please explain the parts I bolded.

I was trying to say Cheating online isent good but cheating by yourself (with no one else) dosent matter IMO but if they know how to cheat by themselves they know how online or somthing liek that
Edit: i should have never posted here if i cant say what i actully mean >.<
ok here is the basic idea of what i was trying to say

1: Cheating is bad.
2: No one is gonna take you up on the offer to point out reasons why they shouldent be banned.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:18 pm

I believe I see what you're saying.
I believe there is a rule here stating that this is not for discussion about how to mod your xbox. If they do ask this, they should not recieve and answer, and the post should just be locked with a post like "This isnt a place to discuss how to mod your xbox" - I dont know if I would go as far as to say it should be a ban, but I dont think they should get any help from anyone here.

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:20 pm

Ombre wrote:
Tural wrote:Please explain the parts I bolded.
I was trying to say Cheating online isent good but cheating by yourself (with no one else) dosent matter IMO but if they know how to cheat by themselves they know how online or somthing liek that

The fact is there is to be NO modding on live AT ALL by yourself included, the rules state that you are not allowed to mod on xbox live period, for any reason at all, without exception. Thats the way it is, it is not their choice to make.

Edit: Sorry for the unintentional double post, Ombre deleted his post so it now looks like I double posted.

UnlockedTitan · Post by **UnlockedTitan** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:20 pm

exactly what i have been saying, people who ask that question get a link to a site that tells all about that sfuff, and that equals a new xbox live cheater

Kirk · Post by **Kirk** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:22 pm

Modding on live is like Limewire (or any similar apps). The actual thing itself is fine, or could be used/created for good intentions, but can also be used for bad things. Are apps like Limewire illegal? No. Is downloading songs/files illegal? Yes. Same with modding on live. Modding is fun, but when done on live, it gets bad.

That said, I think you can get a good understanding of what I think. We are going to allow modding, as we always have. We are not allowing XBL modding, as we always have.

I actually can't see what you want. Everything I got from that is already in effect. If you want to ban discussion of live modding on AIM, sorry, we can't do that. halomods admins can't ban people from AIM

Tural · Post by **Tural** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:25 pm

Not banned from AIM as much as banned from Halomods if they contact someone on AIM who reports them. If you could suggest the best way for the people who are contacted by these live modders to report them, along with their Halomods usernames, so that they could be banned.

Ombre · Post by **Ombre** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:26 pm

Tural wrote:
Ombre wrote:
Tural wrote:Please explain the parts I bolded.
I was trying to say Cheating online isent good but cheating by yourself (with no one else) dosent matter IMO but if they know how to cheat by themselves they know how online or somthing liek that
The fact is there is to be NO modding on live AT ALL by yourself included, the rules state that you are not allowed to mod on xbox live period, for any reason at all, without exception. Thats the way it is, it is not their choice to make.

Edit: Sorry for the unintentional double post, Ombre deleted his post so it now looks like I double posted.

Eh? i dident make a poast after yours and i was saying by your self as in not on live... this thread is a great hump of confusion