what makes a outstanding mod?

[warlord]

why ot rally a contest the staff make a topic for what mosts they think are the most worthysome and let the entire site choose?

[Tural]

What?

[ScottyGEE]

I think he means essentially a MOTM type thing, you lsit mods, the people vote, then gets moved to outstanding...

[Lavix]

As tural stated before, the problem is abuse.

[Tural]

After further examining the situation, I'm going to have to retract my initial stance and submit to Iron_Forge's post.

[McJix]

Well, I have to agree, just wish I got in on this topic sooner. Of course, the first mods of Halo 2 Vista are automaticially going to be placed in the Halo 2 Vista section, regardless of how good they are.

I also agree with the Outstanding Mods section for Halo PC. I used to go there to find extremely well done mods that were beyond my level of modding skill. Now, I go there and there's all this stuff that I could do myself. It needs something better.

I like the Staff voting system for Outstanding mods. I think, however, it should include a "Group" of users who have the game, and are deep enough to write a vivid, un-biased response based on the mod.

To add to the above paragraph, a ranking system has to be strict and firm. This way, the first couple mods of H2v, which might be a "Cattle Rifle", can't reach the top. I'd give a sniper that fires rockets a 1/10 for Originallity.

I also like this grading system too. We could incorporate it into the ranking system:

a. user comments
b. downloads
c. creativity
d. does it actually work and make for a better experience
c. time invested vs. outcome

Thats my thoughts on it.

As for the Outstanding Mods section, you can either set up guidelines, clean up the topic (agh, I envy the person who will have to do that), or just delete it.

[bibbit]

I think, however, it should include a "Group" of users who have the game, and are deep enough to write a vivid, un-biased response based on the mod.

Yeah, well, good luck with that.

I think that people who don't release their mods to the public (like me) would have the least biased ratings, but I don't see how we could get such a group of respectable, honest people big enough, willing enough, and available enough to rate every mod that people are shelling out. I suggest we leave it how it is for now, but perhaps look into it as time passes.

[McJix]

a. user comments
b. downloads
c. creativity
d. does it actually work and make for a better experience
c. time invested vs. outcome

Nice points bibbits. But, to limit the amount of mods those people have to look through, we could use pepsi's rating suggestion. If the people who are veiwing it say it sucks, then we won't really need to take the time to rate it.

Lets say, for exaple, there's ten people on this rating group. Assuming that they are all un-biased and don't let opinions take over their work, we could have 1 person per mod. More can rate it, but 1 person is all you need.

For the commitie, however, finding the people will be the hard part. I, myself am a respectable, un-biased person who wouldn't mind taking a little time out of my day to do this. I'm on the forums almost everyday, so I could do it. Finding anyone else, is going to be a bear.

[bibbit]

I'd do it as well, but it's the staff who would decide who would be members of this group. You also have a good point in saying that if the public or a couple of members of said group say a mod sucks, then we won't even have to bother rating, because we know it won't get moved anyway. Unless, of course, we used ratings for more than just seeing if a mod is "outstanding" or not.

[McJix]

I'd do it as well, but it's the staff who would decide who would be members of this group.

True, its up to the staff to decide in the end.

Unless, of course, we used ratings for more than just seeing if a mod is "outstanding" or not.

My idea for it would be to grade it on several factors. For example, the following:

Creativity
Workability
Overall Look
Time invested vs. Outcome

If we decide to do it like that, we need a better grading scale/grading options. I used images, but a number score could work too.

[Iron_Forge]

First off, let me re-iterate...I don't think many of the mods in outstanding deserve to be there...Since however you brought up your mod, and how you thought it deserved outstandingship, a couple of things...

First off, when any poster puts "xx+ downloads!" in their topic, I tend to never look at the topic again, not ever...It usually speaks volumes about the maturity of the poster...I can't believe I'm the only one who feels this way...

Second, mods that are posted offsite tend to be linked places that dissapear after awhile...There are even some culprits of this in the HPC outstanding mods forum...Which is why if it's not hosted on site, I might try the mod, but I'm not about to think it's amazing...And really the only notice a moderator would get of how many downloads it has recieved, is from the first point...

Third, your mod's thread had less than 1,000 views...Less than 700 views actually...The view count for an HPC outstanding mod is between 2,300 and 117,000...Granted some of those are skewed by the fact that they are in outstanding, but not to the point of tripling...

And finally, 250 downloads is pretty lame...Sorry...If you look at the outstanding HPC mods, those with less than 1000 downloads are the exception, not the rule...

I don't think we need any rating system...We don't need a special group of super mod reviewers...The public speaks, people take notice...I dunno about you, but without actually trying a mod, I can tell if it's 5 pages of comments are discussion between members of the group that made it, useless fluff "woo, this deserves outstanding!", or genuine feedback that your mod is indeed outstanding...Frankly, yours isn't...

I on the other hand, 2 outstanding mods in HaloPC...You should go check them out...They're outstanding!..

[McJix]

Wow, I can't really argue with any of that. The people speak, but it still might be nice to have a commitie. Anyway, its up to the staff to decide, if anything.

[Lavix]

First off, when any poster puts "xx+ downloads!" in their topic, I tend to never look at the topic again, not ever...It usually speaks volumes about the maturity of the poster...I can't believe I'm the only one who feels this way...

That is very true. I feel the same way.

I on the other hand, 2 outstanding mods in HaloPC...You should go check them out...They're outstanding!..

Those mods are still awesome. The game play is still great everytime you play them, which is hard to say for some of the other mods out today. A lot of people forget about game play and try to go with just visuals, which always fails in the end.

for example I will use a mod I worked on, Dawn of Warfare. We did spend a considerable amount of time on visuals but the game play was truly what made the mod. the map was totally balanced when it came to weapons, spawns, and the environment.

Outstanding would have to be the way you mix every aspect of the mod to work together on how it plays.

[Pepsi]

First off, let me re-iterate...I don't think many of the mods in outstanding deserve to be there...Since however you brought up your mod, and how you thought it deserved outstandingship, a couple of things...

First off, when any poster puts "xx+ downloads!" in their topic, I tend to never look at the topic again, not ever...It usually speaks volumes about the maturity of the poster...I can't believe I'm the only one who feels this way...

Second, mods that are posted offsite tend to be linked places that dissapear after awhile...There are even some culprits of this in the HPC outstanding mods forum...Which is why if it's not hosted on site, I might try the mod, but I'm not about to think it's amazing...And really the only notice a moderator would get of how many downloads it has recieved, is from the first point...

Third, your mod's thread had less than 1,000 views...Less than 700 views actually...The view count for an HPC outstanding mod is between 2,300 and 117,000...Granted some of those are skewed by the fact that they are in outstanding, but not to the point of tripling...

And finally, 250 downloads is pretty lame...Sorry...If you look at the outstanding HPC mods, those with less than 1000 downloads are the exception, not the rule...

I don't think we need any rating system...We don't need a special group of super mod reviewers...The public speaks, people take notice...I dunno about you, but without actually trying a mod, I can tell if it's 5 pages of comments are discussion between members of the group that made it, useless fluff "woo, this deserves outstanding!", or genuine feedback that your mod is indeed outstanding...Frankly, yours isn't...

your seriously not expecting a mod to get thoes results today with the game being 4 years old now, 2 sequels and better games like UT, CS:S, BF2 and people in WoW and GW?

some tolerances and standards need to be lowered some since the prime of halo modding has gone and past. no doubt what people as yourself have done in the past was groundbreaking but there is hardly any ground to break anymore since most good modders have gone to CE.

so thoes dedicated to PC are getting shafted by trying to live up to past expectations and something groundbreaking when its not going to happen. its like expecting $5 in gas to get you the same distances it did 4 years ago.

not trying to flame ya man, but comparing the past with the present doesnt seem like a good argument.

I on the other hand, 2 outstanding mods in HaloPC...You should go check them out...They're outstanding!..

[Tural]

your seriously not expecting a mod to get thoes results today with the game being 4 years old now, 2 sequels and better games like UT, CS:S, BF2 and people in WoW and GW?

Bad argument. Opinion based.

some tolerances and standards need to be lowered some since the prime of halo modding has gone and past. no doubt what people as yourself have done in the past was groundbreaking but there is hardly any ground to break anymore since most good modders have gone to CE.

If people want to be recognized, they can work harder. You don't have to be groundbreaking to be outstanding. IF never even mentioned "groundbreaking" in the post you quoted. You're going off an assumption you made. The "gone to CE" argument is pointless as well.

so thoes dedicated to PC are getting shafted by trying to live up to past expectations and something groundbreaking when its not going to happen. its like expecting $5 in gas to get you the same distances it did 4 years ago.

The comparison you made is inaccurate. See my above point.

not trying to flame ya man, but comparing the past with the present doesnt seem like a good argument.

You didn't flame at all, I don't know what you're getting at. Also, most of your argument isn't good in itself, as I've detailed.

I on the other hand, 2 outstanding mods in HaloPC...You should go check them out...They're outstanding!..

http://www.nexternal.com/vegane/images/ ... kiesLg.jpg

That helps to solidify your validity. Sure makes you look a lot more serious and mature.

[OwnZ joO]

not trying to flame ya man, but comparing the past with the present doesnt seem like a good argument.

You didn't flame at all, I don't know what you're getting at. Also, most of your argument isn't good in itself, as I've detailed.

A lot of people don't know what flaming is, they think that people will accuse them of flaming when they disagree with them...

[Tural]

I'm aware.

[Pepsi]

sigh..

and to no avail its just continues of treating things like a buisness where the fun and relaxed times have passed. the posts above were more of a nail in the coffin then anything. as for me coming off trying to state a argument theres where you are wrong.

im not trying to argue. i was mearly wondering what it would take for someone to see outstanding these days. nothing less and nothing more. i never "asked" for my mod to go there cause being in outstanding really doesnt effect me to much. thoe who i did that project for found it on their forums with a link directed back to my site so i could easly maintain updates then having to jump from forum to forum to update various threads.

the main backing of me starting this thread was seeing users constantly complaining about "this mod" or "that mod" needing outstanding and the of focus on actually discussing the content of the mod. so i figured the admins could better explain why these mods were being overlooked and such.

in real life im a simple man with a simple job and make money on the side doing webwork and designing sites. you need a fully hosted site in 24 hours then im your guy. im not here to talk in etiquette cause i dont speak like that in real life. so why should i in a forum?

alot of focus these days have been lost "dissing" bad mods then giving feedback for making a new modder better. then again when something is cool you hear "zOMG!". ok, so you liked it. what did you like thoe? that way people can focus more on their weaknesses then what they have down.

as for me posting the pic of the cookie? its the internet. get over it. breaking down my post into sections and having to reply to each part of it shows hows anal retentive some people can be by needing to go to the length of actually..

1. breaking the post down
2. replying to each section
3.making sure they comment on all things they disagree with
4. end with usually a snide remark on the authors remarks as a whole

if that little bit i just said makes you mad then please get over yourself. im not trying to bicker with you but i know your admin type. ive dealt with them numerous of times in my 7 years of being a webmaster on various of sites. you attacked my maturity so i went back on your narcissism. even trade no?

like i said..
i asked a question.
i got a answer.

simply put... there is nothing to make it outstanding. its admin guess from polling friends and fellow admins and if agreed then it makes it. no poll, user opinion or stat data will help. more or less.. its a hit or miss thing.

[Tural]

You make me laugh.

Sorry for being thorough, I'll be sure to act like an idiot in the future. I imagine you'd rather have me post "UR RONG LOL BAI" than to actually go into depth with each point you make.

[Pepsi]

thx. that would be coolz of joo! ur teh winner of teh internets! you get all teh tubes! ytmnd ftw lawl!!!one1!

>_>

im done.